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	<link>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/</link>
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		<title>by: Tom Godber</title>
		<link>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-509</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 09:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Absolutely agree.  I did a blog post just recently on when an mPayment makes sense, and I think for many of the use cases being suggested (especially in analyst reports) it doesn't.

If the mPayment actually reduces customer pain (acknowledging the pain of doing anything on a phone these days), then an mPayment can work.  If there are existing systems which already work well, the mPayment will fail - just because you can do something doesn't mean you will...

More here if you're interested: http://blog.masabi.com/2008/04/judging-when-mpayment-makes-sense.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree.  I did a blog post just recently on when an mPayment makes sense, and I think for many of the use cases being suggested (especially in analyst reports) it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If the mPayment actually reduces customer pain (acknowledging the pain of doing anything on a phone these days), then an mPayment can work.  If there are existing systems which already work well, the mPayment will fail - just because you can do something doesn&#8217;t mean you will&#8230;</p>
<p>More here if you&#8217;re interested: <a href="http://blog.masabi.com/2008/04/judging-when-mpayment-makes-sense.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.masabi.com/2008/04/judging-when-mpayment-makes-sense.html</a>
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		<title>by: gs</title>
		<link>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-506</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-506</guid>
					<description>As a C level exec who just moved out of a mobile payment company I have to agree with the author. You do have early adopters like Japan and South Korea, but the market dynamics in these countries were very favorable for mobile contactless payments to happen.  It will be a few years before that happens in most western countries.

I do think emerging economies like India and China (and maybe Africa) could be the potential surprise packages - if you think of mobile payments broadly (i.e., not just contactless but also the SMS/application usage models).  But again the combination of banks and telcos as protagonists is the worst possible mix to make this happen.  So I am not betting my money on this (literally..!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a C level exec who just moved out of a mobile payment company I have to agree with the author. You do have early adopters like Japan and South Korea, but the market dynamics in these countries were very favorable for mobile contactless payments to happen.  It will be a few years before that happens in most western countries.</p>
<p>I do think emerging economies like India and China (and maybe Africa) could be the potential surprise packages - if you think of mobile payments broadly (i.e., not just contactless but also the SMS/application usage models).  But again the combination of banks and telcos as protagonists is the worst possible mix to make this happen.  So I am not betting my money on this (literally..!!)
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		<title>by: Gary Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-503</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-503</guid>
					<description>With so much pontification already available - I'll be brief. It's all about technology, convenience, and a new generation of adopters.

This is not about the current debate on value and revenue between the carriers and the bankers. It's also not about the debate between proximity on cards versus proximity in phones (hint: that decision has already been made - in case you didn't get the email).

This is about evolution in payments and the continuing automation of those tasks. It's not if - but when - and the when will be determined as always by those that see the value and build the solution. The skunkworks and small emerging companies are there. It's just about when the big players will decide to play. (hint: Qualcomm seems to have made that decision already with Firethorn)

Let's talk again in early 2009 and see where we are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With so much pontification already available - I&#8217;ll be brief. It&#8217;s all about technology, convenience, and a new generation of adopters.</p>
<p>This is not about the current debate on value and revenue between the carriers and the bankers. It&#8217;s also not about the debate between proximity on cards versus proximity in phones (hint: that decision has already been made - in case you didn&#8217;t get the email).</p>
<p>This is about evolution in payments and the continuing automation of those tasks. It&#8217;s not if - but when - and the when will be determined as always by those that see the value and build the solution. The skunkworks and small emerging companies are there. It&#8217;s just about when the big players will decide to play. (hint: Qualcomm seems to have made that decision already with Firethorn)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s talk again in early 2009 and see where we are!
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		<title>by: Dean Procter</title>
		<link>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-502</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-502</guid>
					<description>I think you are making too many assumptions, and if we're going to assume:
What if mobile payments worked with any model mobile?
What if the cost of transactions was significantly lower for merchants, they required no new infrastructure, and fraud was virtually eliminated?
What if it was safer and more private for consumers?
What if the risk of loss through loss of the phone was zero?
What if the same process was used to pay in-store, on-line and while watching TV or listening to the radio?
What if it worked equally well for micro and large transactions?
What if all this was true?

I'd be the first to agree that NFC and other half baked mobile transaction systems were of limited potential, but there are other approaches.
There's a lot more to it than transactions at the counter or on the internet. A whole lot more. The internet is a fraction of the real world in terms of usage and commerce and it seems people have forgotten the power of TV and radio in generating transactions. Most observers appear to look through blinkers.

I think you're all going to be pleasantly surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are making too many assumptions, and if we&#8217;re going to assume:<br />
What if mobile payments worked with any model mobile?<br />
What if the cost of transactions was significantly lower for merchants, they required no new infrastructure, and fraud was virtually eliminated?<br />
What if it was safer and more private for consumers?<br />
What if the risk of loss through loss of the phone was zero?<br />
What if the same process was used to pay in-store, on-line and while watching TV or listening to the radio?<br />
What if it worked equally well for micro and large transactions?<br />
What if all this was true?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be the first to agree that NFC and other half baked mobile transaction systems were of limited potential, but there are other approaches.<br />
There&#8217;s a lot more to it than transactions at the counter or on the internet. A whole lot more. The internet is a fraction of the real world in terms of usage and commerce and it seems people have forgotten the power of TV and radio in generating transactions. Most observers appear to look through blinkers.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re all going to be pleasantly surprised.
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		<title>by: Philippe</title>
		<link>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-500</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-500</guid>
					<description>I totally agree on your argumentation when you talk about contactless and NFC payment, especialy in the US or in Europe. All predictions are fantasy into my eyes, key drivers will be the added value persuived by the end users, which has to be recognized by them.

In the other hand, mobile payment does concern also other services such as ticketing, M2M, P2P money transfers, virtual parking, ... where contactless doesn't bring anything, because simply not necessary. All these services are more and more widely used, for example in Europe where new actors like Crandy can show already 400 000 users in counter.
If you take the virtual parking (ex: Ghent in Belgium), where you can remotely pay, extend your parking, being informed before the end of time, or simply stop and being reimbursed, that are real services with added value created with the mobile usage.
Mobile payment is wide with a fast growth, and can't be only assimilated to NFC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree on your argumentation when you talk about contactless and NFC payment, especialy in the US or in Europe. All predictions are fantasy into my eyes, key drivers will be the added value persuived by the end users, which has to be recognized by them.</p>
<p>In the other hand, mobile payment does concern also other services such as ticketing, M2M, P2P money transfers, virtual parking, &#8230; where contactless doesn&#8217;t bring anything, because simply not necessary. All these services are more and more widely used, for example in Europe where new actors like Crandy can show already 400 000 users in counter.<br />
If you take the virtual parking (ex: Ghent in Belgium), where you can remotely pay, extend your parking, being informed before the end of time, or simply stop and being reimbursed, that are real services with added value created with the mobile usage.<br />
Mobile payment is wide with a fast growth, and can&#8217;t be only assimilated to NFC.
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		<title>by: pwb</title>
		<link>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-499</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-499</guid>
					<description>I don't think I understand a single word of BobMac's screed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I understand a single word of BobMac&#8217;s screed.
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		<title>by: Tyler Hannan</title>
		<link>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-498</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-498</guid>
					<description>I think the key statement is:

"It would also be interesting to really understand why a new technology like Pay By Touch failed in spite of having their kiosk implementations subsidized. (Hint, customers did not see the value in signing up at a kiosk when presenting a card at checkout was easy and convenient.)"

Merchant subsidy as a business model is understandable. . .However, if there is not convenience, consumers simply will not adopt.  Ultimately, the merchant is truly motivated to adopt new payment workflows when either the consumer demands acceptance or the incentive is so great that there is value (as is becoming popular in new receipting and loyalty plans).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key statement is:</p>
<p>&#8220;It would also be interesting to really understand why a new technology like Pay By Touch failed in spite of having their kiosk implementations subsidized. (Hint, customers did not see the value in signing up at a kiosk when presenting a card at checkout was easy and convenient.)&#8221;</p>
<p>Merchant subsidy as a business model is understandable. . .However, if there is not convenience, consumers simply will not adopt.  Ultimately, the merchant is truly motivated to adopt new payment workflows when either the consumer demands acceptance or the incentive is so great that there is value (as is becoming popular in new receipting and loyalty plans).
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		<title>by: BobMac</title>
		<link>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-497</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-497</guid>
					<description>While your points are valid for people going to a store to buy - some other considerations:

1. How much do you buy online? As recent data shows of those on the Internet, more now have mobile phones than credit cards. (And don't look outside the US or it is more.)
2. Lets replace the "contact -less" (hat means a bunch of new devices and interfaces and training for the consumer) with  your cell phone", for the sake of discussion. Which would you use?
3. You lost your card "versus" you lost your phone. Which has the most potential cost to all involved for unauthorized use?
4. How many retail locations have problems with PCI because the actual transactions are transmitted over a link that is not encoded, i.e. WiFi? How did Target loose all that data? Would the cellular network be a little harder to crack into?
5. How much less would it cost the retailer to cut out Visa and MasterCard? (Again, don't look now, into China, India, Africa, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While your points are valid for people going to a store to buy - some other considerations:</p>
<p>1. How much do you buy online? As recent data shows of those on the Internet, more now have mobile phones than credit cards. (And don&#8217;t look outside the US or it is more.)<br />
2. Lets replace the &#8220;contact -less&#8221; (hat means a bunch of new devices and interfaces and training for the consumer) with  your cell phone&#8221;, for the sake of discussion. Which would you use?<br />
3. You lost your card &#8220;versus&#8221; you lost your phone. Which has the most potential cost to all involved for unauthorized use?<br />
4. How many retail locations have problems with PCI because the actual transactions are transmitted over a link that is not encoded, i.e. WiFi? How did Target loose all that data? Would the cellular network be a little harder to crack into?<br />
5. How much less would it cost the retailer to cut out Visa and MasterCard? (Again, don&#8217;t look now, into China, India, Africa, etc.)
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		<title>by: Manu</title>
		<link>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-493</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-493</guid>
					<description>Good to read something else than the usual "rose glasses euphoria"...

I hope many decision makers at mobile operator and manufacturers, banks and all other newly appeared players will read this, come back to reality and understand that the way is still very long until NFC based payments will be widely used and accepted for the benefit of all. 

For now most prefer to believe that "we just have to solve a couple of tiny technical things and we will get the goose that lays the golden eggs". Nobody wants to invest -or so few!-, everybody wants to extract its pennies from each transaction for a supposedly "service"...  

As Karen argued very opportunely, this reminds us the WAP story and we all know how widely WAP is used today...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to read something else than the usual &#8220;rose glasses euphoria&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>I hope many decision makers at mobile operator and manufacturers, banks and all other newly appeared players will read this, come back to reality and understand that the way is still very long until NFC based payments will be widely used and accepted for the benefit of all. </p>
<p>For now most prefer to believe that &#8220;we just have to solve a couple of tiny technical things and we will get the goose that lays the golden eggs&#8221;. Nobody wants to invest -or so few!-, everybody wants to extract its pennies from each transaction for a supposedly &#8220;service&#8221;&#8230;  </p>
<p>As Karen argued very opportunely, this reminds us the WAP story and we all know how widely WAP is used today&#8230;
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		<title>by: pwb</title>
		<link>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-492</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecatalystcode.com/theconversation/blog/2008/04/28/blah-blah-mobileblah-blah-mobile/#comment-492</guid>
					<description>Amen. The way pundits talk about mobile payments is so silly. I haven't seen a single use case where mobile payments make good sense. In fact, I'm not even sure what "mobile payments" even means.

"what gets adopted in payments (and most everywhere else) is a function of something much more complex"

I'm not so sure. What gets adopted is what is compelling and adds value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. The way pundits talk about mobile payments is so silly. I haven&#8217;t seen a single use case where mobile payments make good sense. In fact, I&#8217;m not even sure what &#8220;mobile payments&#8221; even means.</p>
<p>&#8220;what gets adopted in payments (and most everywhere else) is a function of something much more complex&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure. What gets adopted is what is compelling and adds value.
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